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Oh and one more thing something you will always find in those types of articles is the word "Potential risk". why doesnt it ever say a definite risk? or atleast based on a test subject?
I at least take back the name calling, but I can't edit threads. rereading you don't seem like you are intentionally disrespectful.
Good luck man. I really hope it works out for you, sincerely.
HAve you honestly seen a 16 year old take steroids? and seen what has happened to him? Probably not. And then what are the chances that he'd be the same as me. IN a sense this is an experiment and we all have our educated guesses but nobody really has the hardcore truth. believe it or not, im pretty fucking sure that everyone who has told me not to take roids is probably right and I probably will fuck my life up. But my mind is so strongly made up that i am ready for permanently shrunk testicles, i am ready for bitch tits, i am reading for gyno problems, IF it comes down to it.
I haven't seen a 16 year old take them.......he was 18, my bro in law is now 24 and finally had to get his breasts removed through surgery after suffering for 6 years trying to figure out a less expensive way (insurance won't cover it) to get rid of them. He's now happily married........although he's been struggling to get his wife pregnant for the last year and a half.....I wonder why?
Sure he got really strong, and big for a while, although he never got ripped, because he never learned good nutrition and workout skills. Now he's lost every bit of the gains he once had (for maybe a year), and is recovering from gyno surgery before being able to lift again. He's now asking me what I do to stay "ripped" year round, while continuing to gain lean mass and get stronger. Well it's no secret, and everyone here has already told you, it simply takes some determination, effort, and knowledge.
So what are the chances this could happen to you, you ask? I dunno......but who cares, as long as there is a chance. My brother in law said the same crap you're saying, how he "didn't care about gyno, and could handle all the side effects", but he admits now he just really either hadn't really thought about the consequences or really didn't believe it could happen to him. After reading your responses, you sound exactly like him.
Keep in mind, this was at a time when I would have killed to have his progress naturally. Sure your buddies might look like they're doing the right thing, but I guarantee it will catch up to them.
You have nothing to lose to give yourself a couple of months to try out a different "experiment" first. Your gear will still be there if what we are saying isn't true, but why not hold off for a couple of months and let Built and others help you gain some invaluable knowledge that will help you permanently and even increase your results when you do decide to use.
You say you're responsible, so why don't YOU PROVE IT.
First of all, To this quote writer: your a fucking jackass, reason being im gonna do a great cycle, have a great PCT, and prove all of you wrong. ill have before pics, and after pics, and after after pics. To prove i can 1) retain the muscle
2) Gain mass 3) That steroids and age matter but not to the extents you guys push it to. Its responsibility that really matters. and i think have it considering that sus has been sitting in my locker for over 2 weeks. If i wanted to be a jackass i couldve started injecting myself already and then got the HCG, and Nolv, and clom but no, i waited.
And as far as the whole woman sitatuion goes, i dont care if your a guy or a girl, i appreciate the help, the only reason i wasnt on is because school has been a pain in the ass, and im training extremely hard. Knowledge is knowledge. and im always hungry.
I haven't seen a 16 year old take them.......he was 18, my bro in law is now 24 and finally had to get his breasts removed through surgery after suffering for 6 years trying to figure out a less expensive way (insurance won't cover it) to get rid of them. He's now happily married........although he's been struggling to get his wife pregnant for the last year and a half.....I wonder why?
Sure he got really strong, and big for a while, although he never got ripped, because he never learned good nutrition and workout skills. Now he's lost every bit of the gains he once had (for maybe a year), and is recovering from gyno surgery before being able to lift again. He's now asking me what I do to stay "ripped" year round, while continuing to gain lean mass and get stronger. Well it's no secret, and everyone here has already told you, it simply takes some determination, effort, and knowledge.
So what are the chances this could happen to you, you ask? I dunno......but who cares, as long as there is a chance. My brother in law said the same crap you're saying, how he "didn't care about gyno, and could handle all the side effects", but he admits now he just really either hadn't really thought about the consequences or really didn't believe it could happen to him. After reading your responses, you sound exactly like him.
Keep in mind, this was at a time when I would have killed to have his progress naturally. Sure your buddies might look like they're doing the right thing, but I guarantee it will catch up to them.
You have nothing to lose to give yourself a couple of months to try out a different "experiment" first. Your gear will still be there if what we are saying isn't true, but why not hold off for a couple of months and let Built and others help you gain some invaluable knowledge that will help you permanently and even increase your results when you do decide to use.
You say you're responsible, so why don't YOU PROVE IT.
Im not gonna lie, this got me to think tons of times. Its been on my mind ever since i read it, but sadly, at the end of the day im still driven to do what i wanna do. I dont know what your brother in law did, and im not too sure if the same thing is gonna happen or not considering every single body is uniquely composed and reacts differently. As far as training naturally goes, its working, but not as quick as id like it to. Its more of a mental thing. When i know i have this in me, and its a once in a life opportunity, i will go for taht extra rep, i will eat that 1 extra bit of egg left in my plate just cause i dont wanna be malnutritioned. I will literally interrupt the best sex in the world to drink a protein shake. (No, that wasnt a joke at all).
And as far as NJ surfer goes, im sorry i called you a jackass. I definitly didnt mean it. As far as this goes though, I dont really have control over myself, At this point my mind and heart are separating. My mind is telling me not to after i read that post above. But my heart is still going towards it and well, as of now, it still seems like i will. I havent started yet, nor will i probably till another 2 weeks or so but i know i will.
Thanks.Great work jbish! What is your height & weight in that pic? That is a testament to hard work and dedication. Congratulations!
Thanks Built, unfortunately it looks as though it's falling on deaf ears, but maybe it will help someone else.jbish, thank you for putting into pictures and words what absolutely needed to be said.
You look phenomenal.
first of all you might be right. but at this point i think your wrong as hell. because i have done some basic research and from what i know. I should wait atleast 3 weeks once im off of test E (thats if i were to take it) to take clomid. (Test E has long esters from what i understand). 2nd of all your pyramiding down, does not make a difference to recovery AT ALL. and HCG would definitly be useful. So, i might not be a genius, and might have it ALL WRONG, but your just making it worse by giving me wrong advice. And for everyone here believe it or not, i MIGHT of decided not to take anything for a while. MIGHT.