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8% of all babies born in the US in 2008 belonged to illegal immigrant parents

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Eight percent of all babies born in the U.S. in 2008 belonged to illegal immigrant parents


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I stand by my catapult idea.
 
I'm not surprised. I think this data was released last year.

Can you put up a link/source for this thread AND the Reagan thread?
 
no surprise with the mexicans, their stupid catholicism "prevents" birth control. The damn conquistadors should have left them to their sun sacrificing religion. I can't tell you how many women in south central ( where i did trauma and ob/gyn) were terrified of using birth control after they delivered their 5th baby because their husbands/ papal authority would tell them they were going to hell. Many times my resident would to a tubal ligation right after birth ( the uterus is large enough you can hide the surgical scar in the umbilicus) so the husbands would never find out we fixed their wives. I am all in favor of mandatory birth control with iuds, implants or tubal ligation if you want welfare.
 
I know several RN's and two doctors at Grady in ATL, where the poor go to hatch, and they all say the interesting thing about when the illegals download is the father is there with the mother but rarely is a black father there with his black baby momma.

That said, send all these illegal fucks home yesterday.
 
We should fix anyone on public aid!!!!! deport illegals and if they return a swift toby chop! from the movie roots! and any foregin person here to work gets income taxed 60 percent.
 
Big Pimpin said:
I know several RN's and two doctors at Grady in ATL, where the poor go to hatch, and they all say the interesting thing about when the illegals download is the father is there with the mother but rarely is a black father there with his black baby momma.

That said, send all these illegal fucks home yesterday.
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One thing I will say for the latino culture, they are much more family oriented than any americans ( black or white). What's interesting is the illegals without health insurance will actually make their payments to me as a doc since they don't want to get "deported". They don't realize I am not in law enforcement. ( we set up a fair payment system such as 25 dollars a month etc.) My uninsured ( whites and blacks) just tell me to go to hell when I send them the bill for taking care of them for 3 hours in the ICU in the middle of the night saving their asses. I have one mexican who walks in once a week to hand me five dollars, he may never pay off the 600 dollars he incurred during his 5 days in the hospital ICU ( congestive heart failure from chagas disease) but I wont send him to collections and will always be there for him.
 
bandaidwoman said:
One thing I will say for the latino culture, they are much more family oriented than any americans ( black or white). What's interesting is the illegals without health insurance will actually make their payments to me as a doc since they don't want to get "deported". They don't realize I am not in law enforcement. ( we set up a fair payment system such as 25 dollars a month etc.) My uninsured ( whites and blacks) just tell me to go to hell when I send them the bill for taking care of them for 3 hours in the ICU in the middle of the night saving their asses. I have one mexican who walks in once a week to hand me five dollars, he may never pay off the 600 dollars he incurred during his 5 days in the hospital ICU ( congestive heart failure from chagas disease) but I wont send him to collections and will always be there for him.
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Yes, it is without a doubt that black people are at least 3 times as likely to stiff a hospital on their bills. They are also at least 3 times more likely to come strolling through the ER for something that should be handled by a GP or clinic just because they know they have to be seen, and then they can stiff us on the bill again.

Making it mandatory to see an ER patient is a good idea in theory, but now that lowlifes know that they can go to the ER for something as small as a damn rash, something needs to be done. One in ten ER patients come to our ER for an actual emergency.
 
KelJu said:
Yes, it is without a doubt that black people are at least 3 times as likely to stiff a hospital on their bills. They are also at least 3 times more likely to come strolling through the ER for something that should be handled by a GP or clinic just because they know they have to be seen, and then they can stiff us on the bill again.

Making it mandatory to see an ER patient is a good idea in theory, but now that lowlifes know that they can go to the ER for something as small as a damn rash, something needs to be done. One in ten ER patients come to our ER for an actual emergency.
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as an internist, i dont see these guys in the er, i get the ones in multisystem failure, crashing etc. and have to be admitted in the hospital. but i also grudgingly do primary care on an outpatient basis.


There are two reasons why blacks, whites, insured, non insured are seeking primary care in the er is... One is lack of primary care providers. Though I am in internist, I also do primary care on an outpatient basis and I have a 10 month waiting list to see me ( georgia is in a crisis and I like to think I am very popular). That is number one. Number two, with the EMTLA laws copays for medicaid patients are lower going to the er than a doctors office, and since they have to buy their 4 dollar a pack cigarettes they rather pay nothing than 2 dollars to see me in the office. ( we need to make er visits more costly for them than seeing a doc in the office).

as for the uninsured, most private doctors want money up front, ( like the dentists) no graduated payment system such as the one we have in effect, to visit their office so they seek minor emergency care in the emergency room which cannot turn them away ( and no ethical industrialized nation should do so, which is why american tourists are generally not urned away in other 1st world countries where their insurances dont really reimburse the hosptials adequetly)
 
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bandaidwoman said:
One thing I will say for the latino culture, they are much more family oriented than any americans ( black or white). What's interesting is the illegals without health insurance will actually make their payments to me as a doc since they don't want to get "deported". They don't realize I am not in law enforcement. ( we set up a fair payment system such as 25 dollars a month etc.) My uninsured ( whites and blacks) just tell me to go to hell when I send them the bill for taking care of them for 3 hours in the ICU in the middle of the night saving their asses. I have one mexican who walks in once a week to hand me five dollars, he may never pay off the 600 dollars he incurred during his 5 days in the hospital ICU ( congestive heart failure from chagas disease) but I wont send him to collections and will always be there for him.
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600 dollar bill for 5 days in the hospital ICU?:thinking:
 
bandaidwoman said:
One thing I will say for the latino culture, they are much more family oriented than any americans ( black or white). What's interesting is the illegals without health insurance will actually make their payments to me as a doc since they don't want to get "deported". They don't realize I am not in law enforcement. ( we set up a fair payment system such as 25 dollars a month etc.) My uninsured ( whites and blacks) just tell me to go to hell when I send them the bill for taking care of them for 3 hours in the ICU in the middle of the night saving their asses. I have one mexican who walks in once a week to hand me five dollars, he may never pay off the 600 dollars he incurred during his 5 days in the hospital ICU ( congestive heart failure from chagas disease) but I wont send him to collections and will always be there for him.
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I know several people with buy here/pay here type car lots and they love financing a Mexican/hispanic because they know they will pay.

I also know a couple guys that rent old single wides to Mexicans near chicken plants. They always pay on time but they have to charge "per head" (and make a killing doing so) because the illegals won't think twice about living 10-15 to a single-wide. They are nasty people and the single-wides are old, so when a batch moves out or is deported, they simply have the FD torch the single-wides then they replace them with other re-po'd single-wides.
 
bandaidwoman said:
One thing I will say for the latino culture, they are much more family oriented than any americans ( black or white). What's interesting is the illegals without health insurance will actually make their payments to me as a doc since they don't want to get "deported". They don't realize I am not in law enforcement. ( we set up a fair payment system such as 25 dollars a month etc.) My uninsured ( whites and blacks) just tell me to go to hell when I send them the bill for taking care of them for 3 hours in the ICU in the middle of the night saving their asses. I have one mexican who walks in once a week to hand me five dollars, he may never pay off the 600 dollars he incurred during his 5 days in the hospital ICU ( congestive heart failure from chagas disease) but I wont send him to collections and will always be there for him.
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Is that Hospital located in 1935?
 
bio-chem said:
600 dollar bill for 5 days in the hospital ICU?:thinking:
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You guys obviously don't understand billing. The hospitall charged him 10 grand a day for the ICU bed, the doctor's fee is seperate. Afterall, I work for myself, not the hospital. you guys are the ones living in 1935. Most docs dont work for hospitals anymore.

it is the doctors fee not the hospital. I put in some central lines, intubated him, had to put an arterial line, took about 30-60 minutes a day stabilizing him. so five-6 hours for five days, for what i did it was less than 100 and hour, i undercharged him. I work for myself, he owes 50,000 + to the hospital which he also is paying ( they tell me he gives them 25 bucks a week) . The usual charges for rounding on an ICU patient every day amounts to 75 -350 depending on the time I spend with them and complexity. I conveniently left out the labor fees for doing the procedures. I do this for all my uninsured, but I don't do it pro bono since I still got to pay my malpractice.

your reading comprehension is poor, I said he owes me, not the hospital 600 dollars. The usual charges for my average icu patient is usually twice -4 times that amount for five days, and guess what , we charge a hell of a lot less than the specialists.( like pulmonologists, nephrologists etc.) so it's more cost effective to have a general internist that can treat the whole patient. The family docs usually consult every specialist on the planet so the patient has doctor fees that are almost 8 -10 times the amount that I charge to basically do the same thing ( after all, most intensivists are internists, not family docs)
 
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Big Pimpin said:
I know several people with buy here/pay here type car lots and they love financing a Mexican/hispanic because they know they will pay.

I also know a couple guys that rent old single wides to Mexicans near chicken plants. They always pay on time but they have to charge "per head" (and make a killing doing so) because the illegals won't think twice about living 10-15 to a single-wide. They are nasty people and the single-wides are old, so when a batch moves out or is deported, they simply have the FD torch the single-wides then they replace them with other re-po'd single-wides.
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I volunteer at a free medical clinic every thursday night and the hispanics will try to pay me somehow or express their gratefulness that I am tending to them..( they will bring me fresh eggs, homemade bread etc.) The same is true for the Caribbean blacks ( they try to give me rum) and African blacks . The white trailer trash and american blacks bitch and complain about the wait ( afterall there is a mob of them and very few of us). I tell them if they don't want to wait in line with 100 other free loaders to go pay at a doctor's office.
 
bandaidwoman said:
I volunteer at a free medical clinic every thursday night and the hispanics will try to pay me somehow or express their gratefulness that I am tending to them..( they will bring me fresh eggs, homemade bread etc.) The same is true for the Caribbean blacks ( they try to give me rum) and African blacks . The white trailer trash and american blacks bitch and complain about the wait ( afterall there is a mob of them and very few of us). I tell them if they don't want to wait in line with 100 other free loaders to go pay at a doctor's office.
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Yeah, yeah, we get it. The immigrant it telling the Americans (again) that immigrants are better than Americans. They're such better than us, which is why Mexico, South Africa, Dominican Republic, and the Caribbean countries are so much more affluent, modern, ordered, and all around a better place to live. :rolleyes:
 
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DOMS said:
Yeah, yeah, we get it. The immigrant it telling the Americans (again) that immigrants are better than Americans.

We've heard this tune before.
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fine, I'm makin it all up, but big pimpin's car friend seems to have the same positive interaction in the non medical arena. I'm not making an judgement, afterall, I did say their possible ulterior motive for being so nicey, nicey is basically so we won't turn them in., but also they probably come from a medical system where waiting in line to see a doc is probably also the cultural norm......( the latter was especially true with my experiences in doctors without border). Americans generally want things fast and this instant, whether it's fast food or free medical care....
 
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bandaidwoman is talking about the difference between pro-fees (what the doctor gets paid) and hospital charges. In most situations, the hospital charges are what drives up the bill, not the pro-fees. I use to think doctors were scum until I worked at a hospital. I now admit to my past ignorance on that subject.

Even then, it isn't exactly the hospital's fault either. It is god damn unbelievable how much hospital equipment and supplies cost. But, something people usually don't consider is that a $500,000.00 dollar CT machine can save your life from a brain tumor when an older model can fail to detect your illness until it is too late, or until the patient now has to fight a long and expensive battle with an illness that would have been far cheaper to have paid more upfront for the technology to catch the problem early.

I use to think that every American deserved basic heathcare. I still wish we could provide that, but I have seen how bad hospitals are abused by Americans. Patients come in thinking they own the fucking place demanding this and demanding that knowing full well that they have no intention to pay for anything. Bandaidwoman is dead on about how shitty poor Americans are. Poor American whites and blacks treat the facility and the staff like shit. The illegals come in, and they at least have some manners.

How would that business model work for other companies in the private sector? It wouldn't. Those companies would go belly up in no time. What if Walmart customers came walking in and grabbing shit off the shelf, then give the cashier the finger as they walk out if the door with a load of groceries that they didn't pay for all while smiling from ear to ear because Walmart is forced by the government to give them whatever they want?

But we have to have healthcare, so Uncle Sam takes more and more from working American's paychecks to subsidize the hospitals to keep them afloat. Hospitals charge more to make up for the lost revenue. Insurance companies charge more to make up for the shitheads who don't buy coverage until they need a $60,000 surgery. Then the cherry on top is that massively inefficient bureaucracies are formed and funded to try and make sense of it all. Some tough choices need to be made. The system has been raped repeatedly and is now hemorrhaging from the asshole.

The only thing that I am sure of is that people who do not share the financial burdens of the system shouldn't get to use the system. I know that is harsh and cold, but fuck it. Enough is enough.
 
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I also work in a Hospital, Just started a few months ago so my experience with people there is limited. But the illegals I see as well as hear about from other employs never pay their bills.

Yes the Mexican families are very supportive of their family members. There is always someone there 24/7 to be with whom ever is in the hospital for what ever reason. They are never a problem to staff and they are always respectful to us.

That aside what really pisses me off is...never, never does the hospital report them to the authorities. It's like being in the twilight zone.....law does not matter, they get everything for free and get to bail on the bill. No doubt some BS government $$$$ is being given to the hospital for this crap.


Oh by the way, at our hospital it costs more than $600. for 5 days.
 
GeorgeForemanRules said:
Oh by the way, at our hospital it costs more than $600. for 5 days.
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She is referring only to her cut. She may have spent less than 2 hours of her time with that patient. Most hospitals have the doctors submit their charges which is shown itemized on the bill. The bill could be for $10,000, btu her pro-fee was $600.

I remember a long time ago you were going to pursue nursing. Which track did you pursue?
 
KelJu said:
She is referring only to her cut. She may have spent less than 2 hours of her time with that patient. Most hospitals have the doctors submit their charges which is shown itemized on the bill. The bill could be for $10,000, btu her pro-fee was $600.

I remember a long time ago you were going to pursue nursing. Which track did you pursue?
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I understand what she was "trying" to say.

2 hours in 5 days for a Doctor? More like 20 minutes.

I finished my RN several months ago.
 
bandaidwoman said:
I volunteer at a free medical clinic every thursday night and the hispanics will try to pay me somehow or express their gratefulness that I am tending to them..( they will bring me fresh eggs, homemade bread etc.) The same is true for the Caribbean blacks ( they try to give me rum) and African blacks . The white trailer trash and american blacks bitch and complain about the wait ( afterall there is a mob of them and very few of us). I tell them if they don't want to wait in line with 100 other free loaders to go pay at a doctor's office.
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The common denominator here is 1st generation immigrant/illegal. In general the first generation of most, if not all, persuasions of immigrants tends to be appreciative and work their asses off. Though once they have kids, all that hard work and gratitude gets watered down in the genetics.
 
I hate i mean HATE all you race trading ass fucking nigger pricks! I'm a contractor and was a supervisor for a stucco crew whe one spick got his face cut open we went to the hopsital and they charged 125 dollars and two weeks before i had my arm cut and got less stiches my bill was 1300 i said what the fuck and the hospital billing cunt said it was special cirumstances for spicks because the wont pay afterwords so the wabted something......but since i have a social mine was 1300. fuck you assholes
 
Well, we're hording all the wealth, which is why Mexico is so poor. We might as well give them something in return for all that we've taken from them.
 
They took our jobs!
 
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