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Q & A with John Connor Expert AAS advisor
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I have read how some people use AAS at very high dosages and short bursts, while running a longer cycle (for example 10 weeks of Test). Wondering if you can comment on that, discuss its possible effectiveness, and side-effects.
E.G. Anadrol 150-200mg for ~2 weeks instead of running it for the standard 4 weeks at the much lower dose. Doing this at the beginning, middle, or end of a Test cycle.
E.G. Anadrol 150-200mg for ~2 weeks instead of running it for the standard 4 weeks at the much lower dose. Doing this at the beginning, middle, or end of a Test cycle.
You are very welcome,
I have never bought into the "too high body fat" position in relation to cycling because frankly my first 6-7 cycles I was over 20% body fat and had an amazing response to the cycles. Additionally you could use an aromatase inhibitor if you are worried about the higher body fat contributing to aromatase. Age also may play a role in higher aromatase activity so older fatter guys probably need AI's more than anyone when using steroids that aromatize. However, with that said, guys that bulk many times add body fat because they are eating above maintenance. This can cause health problems and will make reducing body fat latter that much harder. Regardless I don't have a problem with a guy at 20% body fat bulking.
As far as a guy wanting to cut using steroids at a higher body fat, I'm all for it. Testosterone is absolutely proven to add LBM and reduce body fat in a dose dependent relationship. I'm assuming a solid nutrition and training program since you did mention that.
Since I know you are older I would recommend a simple Testosterone and HGH cycle to cut. If funds are an issue then Testosterone and maybe a bit of Trenbolone.
Testosterone and Trenbolone is an amazing combination. Diet and training will dictate whether you bulk, cut or recomp.
Winstrol is fine but may not be noticed with such a strong stack. I would personally employ the Winny at the end while dropping down the T dose to get a harder look.
Thanks Trace! Tell your husband we need to go out and EAT!Mr. Connor! You Rock!
Thanks Heavy, the question is actually being posed for my father in law. He is on TRT but would like to gain lean mass and shed body fat as well. He is 22% based on a 7 point caliper test by a trusted trainer. He wants to cut using a simple cycle like you laid out, maybe get to 15% and then add some mass but not get to crazy.
I'll pass the information you gave on to him and let him make his own decision.
Again, thank you!!
Thanks heavy
The concept of 4 weeks being standard for orals is pretty new. Maybe about 5-7 years old. This idea came about because of the toxicity of pro hormones and designer steroids that are methylated. Traditional steroids were almost always run longer before Designer steroids became common.
I don't think short high dosed bursts are worth it to be honest. I would rather see a guy use moderate to moderate-high doses for longer durations. I personally think 56 days is the perfect cycle length and would advise as high a dose as effective for that time frame. In this case as much Test as you can handle and 100mg of Anadrol daily for 8 weeks.
Check out the following abstract brother;
"this is a great study. phase III randomized double blind placebo control. It shows anadrol works great for adding mass in hiv patients, but 100 mg is just as good as 150 mg ed. Plus, they do liver panels out to 16 weeks. 150 mg is worse on the liver than 100. About 25-28% of people show 5x normal liver enzyme values at 16 weeks. Liver issues start creeping in at 12 weeks."
"Again, this is another clear indication that more is not better"~Dr Pangloss
AIDS. 2003 Mar 28;17(5):699-710. Links
Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial of oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV wasting.
Hengge UR, Stocks K, Wiehler H, Faulkner S, Esser S, Lorenz C, Jentzen W, Hengge D, Goos M, Dudley RE, Ringham G.
STD-Unit, Department of Dermatology and Venerology, University of Essen, Germany. ulrich.hengge@uni-duesseldorf.de
BACKGROUND: Despite highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART), chronic involuntary weight loss still remains a serious problem in the care of HIV patients. Various alterations in energy metabolism and endocrine regulation have been found to cause loss of lean body mass (LBM) and body cell mass (BCM). Previous studies in HIV-positive men undergoing androgen replacement therapy or treatment with recombinant growth hormone (rGH) have shown partial restoration of LBM, but these treatments have largely been ineffective in eugonadal individuals.
STUDY DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 89 HIV-positive women and men with wasting assigned to the anabolic steroid oxymetholone [50 mg twice (BID) or three times daily (TID)] or placebo for 16 weeks followed by open-label treatment.
STUDY ENDPOINTS: Body weight, bioimpedance measurements, quality of life parameters and appetite. RESULTS: Oxymetholone led to a significant weight gain of 3.0 +/- 0.5 and 3.5 +/- 0.7 kg in the TID and BID groups, respectively (P < 0.05 for each treatment versus placebo), whereas individuals in the placebo group gained an average of 1.0 +/- 0.7 kg. Body cell mass increased in the oxymetholone BID group (3.8 +/- 0.4 kg; P < 0.0001) and in the oxymetholone TID group (2.1 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.005), corresponding to 12.4 and 7.4% of baseline BCM, respectively. Significant improvements were noted in appetite and food intake, increased well-being and reduced weakness by self-examination. The most important adverse event was liver-associated toxicity. Overall, 35% of patients in the TID, 27% of patients in the BID oxymetholone group and no patients in the placebo group had a greater than five times baseline increase for alanine aminotransferase during the double-blind phase of the study.
CONCLUSIONS: Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The BID (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective as the TID (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM and BCM and was associated with less, but still significant liver toxicity.
I would have him get a physical and blood work. If everything looks good then 300-500mg of T weekly will have a significantly positive effect. I would monitor lipids and blood pressure regularly.
Good luck
No problem brother, good luck!
My thoughts exactly, I won't give him any advice unless he will comply by having blood tests on a regular basis.
Heavy/John, great thread! I have been listening to you for a while now and now I have a place to ask questions. First one, what do you think about using a formestane product as an on cycle AI over adex or exemestane? I ask because formestane is not as toxic and easier on the lipids than the other two (or so I have read) and it is easy to get in a reliable dosage. Curious on your thoughts.
Thank you
I don't know and recently asked a manufacturer the same question about E2 suppression and formestane. Are you referring to the transdermal product? If so I may try it myself and get labs. In the meantime I will continue to use Arimidex or Aromasin for aromatase control.
Sweet!! Can he tells about judgement day too!
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IslandGirl
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Ok. Sounds good. You know I'm all about eating. Maybe next week Wed? Cheynna has a dentist app't, but we could go out after?
spartan1
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Great info. always good to hear the opinions of a pro.
PappyMason
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heavy have you used prop/mast/tren a and noticed a big difference between that and a prop/tren a cycle? would there be significant differences with the addition of mast?
Some friends of mine are pros. I wouldn't say I worked with them but they have asked me questions from time to time. However, one man got his pro card after I helped him design a pre-contest cycle. I usually ask guys their cycle history and then we create a custom cycle based on that history and their goals so the competitor has a lot of input on the cycle. Its more a collaboration.
Gotcha. Sounds cool. Too bad you can't tell us who it was....
I know you wont give us the name, obviously, but was the guy more well known?
Some amateurs are really well know, others are a little lower on the totem pole.
I know you wont give us the name, obviously, but was the guy more well known?
Some amateurs are really well know, others are a little lower on the totem pole.
I love the synergy between Test, Tren and Mast but if I had to drop one due to funds or availability I would drop the Mast because Tren and Test are very powerful in their own stack.
Test and Tren is the poor mans ultimate stack in my humble opinion. Here is an article I wrote a while back on Tren and Test;
A powerful but simple stack I???m convinced there???s almost no other traditional injectable stack that???s as potent and versatile as Testosterone and Trenbolone. It???s a simple stack with enormous potential to harden muscle, promote fat loss and add raw strength. Over the years I have tried just about every combination of steroids from very elaborate to very simple stacks. Since many times guys are on a budget I decided to present a basic simple stack that is cost effective and will illicit terrific changes to a physique. Testosterone is a great base to all cycles. It increases mood, energy and libido while giving good performance in the gym. However, sometimes guys want that extra edge in reaching their goals. Instead of taking various peptides, orals or other injectable combinations one of the most simple things to do is add Trenbolone to your Testosterone base. This powerful but simple stack may be used to cut, bulk, add raw strength or recomp.
Depending on the goal, various dosing schemes may be employed but for me the most basic is 600-750mg Testosterone weekly with 225-350mg Trenbolone weekly. In just 8 short weeks this cycle will provide great results if nutrition, training and recovery is dialed in.
I love the pure look of the Euro-Pharmacies Trenbolone. Honestly, I have never seen such clarity and lack of oxidation in Trenbolone. I have seen it made from implants and the color is similar but there is always a tiny swirl of turbidity. The EP Trenbolone has ZERO turbidity or oxidative color.
Trenbolone at it???s finest. Euro-Pharmacies Testosterone and Trenbolone is a simple, pure and strong stack.
Sometimes it???s best to keep things simple???heavyiron
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Great job Heavy again!
Thank you brother and thank you for all your help over the years.
I'm in my mid forties. I was prescribed TRT just over five years ago. I will never go off.Heavy/John......two questions..how old are you & are you 'on' trt full time?
.........charley
My current cruise looks like this;
220mg US Test Cyp and 40mg Prop every Friday AM
20-40mg Cialis every Friday AM
500iu HCG Mon and Thur
1mg Arimidex Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
5iu HGH every day except Sunday
My cruise is designed to elicit a strong sex drive, especially on the weekend.
