Heres a game changer

[afg24]

This gona be real sweet lets see those results with these labs and prove which labs are superior and honest and the scammers!! Can't wait to see

 

[SFW]

I think these kits will just perpetuate the sales of under dosed gear.

The test kits only indicates if there is said hormone in vial. No indication of concentration levels. If a sponsor who is knowingly selling underdosed gear gets a "Passing Grade", he or she will just promote these findings and use it as "proof" that they are legit and continue to peddle their under dosed oils with confidence.

Its still a step in the right direction though and better than nothing.

And how could such a test be proved...I mean its easy to fake the results, even if you posted a video or pics. (bait and switch)

We shouldnt rely on one guys test results. Id say a number of folks with good reputation that have the same test findings would be more believable than random noob with 10 posts. Mods for example would be ideal

I think all sponsors should submit a vial of each of their gears to the mods of their choice for testing. The sponsors should also pay for the kits themselves. Its a small price to pay for a good name. See, if i still had my mod gig id be PMing sponsors with this idea...and theyd send me the gears and kit. And you know youd be getting the over dosed, mutant powered gears when they sent it.

Food for thought.

:JEWISH:

 

[theCaptn']

 

[independent]

The gear whore train is full my good man.


Sorry to say though, your plan's flawed. I highly doubt any sponsor would send fake stuff to someone if they know it's going to get tested. You'll have to do this crazy thing called buying gear on your own, without letting the sponsor know, and conduct the test on your own.

This^^^^

 

[heckler7]

I think these kits will just perpetuate the sales of under dosed gear.

The test kits only indicates if there is said hormone in vial. No indication of concentration levels. If a sponsor who is knowingly selling underdosed gear gets a "Passing Grade", he or she will just promote these findings and use it as "proof" that they are legit and continue to peddle their under dosed oils with confidence.

Its still a step in the right direction though and better than nothing.

And how could such a test be proved...I mean its easy to fake the results, even if you posted a video or pics. (bait and switch)

We shouldnt rely on one guys test results. Id say a number of folks with good reputation that have the same test findings would be more believable than random noob with 10 posts. Mods for example would be ideal

I think all sponsors should submit a vial of each of their gears to the mods of their choice for testing. The sponsors should also pay for the kits themselves. Its a small price to pay for a good name. See, if i still had my mod gig id be PMing sponsors with this idea...and theyd send me the gears and kit. And you know youd be getting the over dosed, mutant powered gears when they sent it.

Food for thought.

:JEWISH:

I thought they already gave gear to mods

 

[heckler7]

The gear whore train is full my good man.


Sorry to say though, your plan's flawed. I highly doubt any sponsor would send fake stuff to someone if they know it's going to get tested. You'll have to do this crazy thing called buying gear on your own, without letting the sponsor know, and conduct the test on your own.

if you let the sponsor know your gonna test their product it will encourage them to send legit gear.Just dont tell them how your gonna test it cause this only tells you what it is, not if its underdosed

 

[jrock00123]

Put the posting of your results on hold until further notice...thank you

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There should be a "don't like" button.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

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There should be a "don't like" button.

There should be. Unfortunately I was PMed by a mod and won't be posting my results. He had every excuse why I can't post the results. It all sounded very "blah blah blah". This board clearly wants to protect the sources over the members. I understand that these tests aren't the Mecca of steroid testing. It IS better than just taking a sources word that the gear is what they say it is. Makes sense. Good luck guys and girls. Get this kit and hold these sources accountable. Google "labMax test results" and you should be able to find tons of results. There are at LEAST 4 products from SEVERAL sponsors here that failed.

 

[wef823]

Interesting turn of events here. What's that all about? Anyhow thanks for taking the time and spreading the knowledge. I'm sure more people will do the same.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Very interesting we would like tp see some proof and back up to why you say big d AMA and olympus are a fake? ! Since there the top labs that numerous folks talk good about and get labs done to prove its legit.

Labs only tell us if testosterone is legit. They do not tell us if the boldenone, masteron, nandrolone, or anything else is properly dosed...or even if it contains the correct homrone.

 

[s2h]

There should be. Unfortunately I was PMed by a mod and won't be posting my results. He had every excuse why I can't post the results. It all sounded very "blah blah blah". This board clearly wants to protect the sources over the members. I understand that these tests aren't the Mecca of steroid testing. It IS better than just taking a sources word that the gear is what they say it is. Makes sense. Good luck guys and girls. Get this kit and hold these sources accountable. Google "labMax test results" and you should be able to find tons of results. There are at LEAST 4 products from SEVERAL sponsors here that failed.

Think as you will...the fact is that the testing method is "crude" at best...and will only provide controversy and not facts...just like I told you in my "blah blah blah" pm...a proven testing method or process is what is required....and fair too all parties...I didn't take your request lightly so don't take my response as that either..

 

[cornedbeefhash]

Think as you will...the fact is that the testing method is "crude" at best...and will only provide controversy and not facts...just like I told you in my "blah blah blah" pm...a proven testing method or process is what is required....and fair too all parties...I didn't take your request lightly so don't take my response as that either..

I'm not taking your response lightly. I have more proof that certain AMA products don't have hormone than they can provide to prove that it does. The test may be "crude" but the sponsors money is talking louder than a test that shows bunk gear IMO. It really shows where you're head is at. $$. Good luck to you and your board. I'll be somewhere a little more honest. Have a great Christmas.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

Think as you will...the fact is that the testing method is "crude" at best...and will only provide controversy and not facts...a proven testing method or process is what is required....and fair too all parties/QUOTE]
These sound like copouts. To avoid controversy, let's hide some results from members. This is fair to all? Is it fair to the guy who spends his hard earned money on some Mast P and gets ZERO hormone? It's fair to the sponsors and your pockets only. You're the type of scum that makes this business scammer friendly. You clearly have an agenda.

 

[jrock00123]

Every business has to choose whether or not to operate with integrity. This site is no different. It is difficult as a business owner to make those tough calls. No one wants to turn away business. However, in the long run, choosing integrity over short-term sales is ALWAYS the best thing for the business.

This board is quickly losing credibility. But it is not too late to change. The problem is that all sponsors here are being associated as a group -- right or wrong this is how it is. It is getting to the point where legit sponsors need to consider if they want to be associated with the rest.

One of two things will happen. Either the managers of this board will take action to eliminate the scammers or the few legit sponsors here will leave. The bad business can be replaced. There are plenty of other good sponsors out there that may want to be part of a respected board. If you don't post the results at least use them to make change. Don't ignore or try to justify the situation. No one is buying that and it is only adding to the credibility problem.

Cornbeefhash is right in that this home testing thing is a game changer. The info will get out one way or another. I'm ordering my kit today.

 

[independent]

What i would like to see is a product that failed a labmex test also get a mass spec and compare the result. That would be a good check of the labmex test.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Think as you will...the fact is that the testing method is "crude" at best...and will only provide controversy and not facts...a proven testing method or process is what is required....and fair too all parties/QUOTE]
These sound like copouts. To avoid controversy, let's hide some results from members. This is fair to all? Is it fair to the guy who spends his hard earned money on some Mast P and gets ZERO hormone? It's fair to the sponsors and your pockets only. You're the type of scum that makes this business scammer friendly. You clearly have an agenda.

Just so you understand, SH2 is not getting paid for this and has no vested interest in protecting the sponsors you mentioned. In other words, he is not helped or hurt by protecting these sponsors.

 

[Mike Arnold]

What i would like to see is a product that failed a labmex test also get a mass spec and compare the result. That would be a good check of the labmex test.

I agree. Actually, I would like to see multiple results compared in a controlld manner, which should be done by a respected group of non-biased individuals-memebers, at which point we would have a pretty good idea of the test's reliability. This seems like the next logical step.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

I agree. Actually, I would like to see multiple results compared in a controlld manner, which should be done by a respected group of non-biased individuals-memebers, at which point we would have a pretty good idea of the test's reliability. This seems like the next logical step.

I'll donate the failed specimens and donate $100 or so to get the ball rolling. Anyone else want to throw in? Who Is trusted enough to collect money? Let me know. I'm in this for the long hall. These sources NEED to be checked.

 

[ordawg1]

I'll donate the failed specimens and donate $100 or so to get the ball rolling. Anyone else want to throw in? Who Is trusted enough to collect money? Let me know. I'm in this for the long hall. These sources NEED to be checked.

Cannot use failed or tampered products for true third party testing.It would be almost the same as only using sponsors gear that was sent.True third party also collects samples random from said source and uses as baseline comparison.From that point a DB protocol is employed using LCMS and when proper protocol is followed by qualified lab tech -the information on both ID and dosing is stellar.IMO - these colormetric tests are highly questionable as is the protocol by subjects testing.It actually leads to far more problems than answers.Don't get me wrong-is great to see members taking an active role in QC- but these tests are just not conclusive.Just my two cents guys-carry on -Thanks-OD

 

[hoyle21]

Just so you understand, SH2 is not getting paid for this and has no vested interest in protecting the sponsors you mentioned. In other words, he is not helped or hurt by protecting these sponsors.

BS everyone knows mods get free goodies, and inside info on what sponsor is ripping people off.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

BS everyone knows mods get free goodies, and inside info on what sponsor is ripping people off.

Mods may get deals and gifts, but most mods here are completely honest when it comes to providing feedback on out sponsors.

They also have no idea who is ripping off who. Every accusation is always seriously considered and looked into.

I was a mod here a while back, and while there were some great perks, never once did I provide false feedback or protect sponsors that tried to take advantage of our members.

Our active and participating mod here currently are very straight forwarded and honest.

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[hoyle21]

Mods may get deals and gifts, but most mods here are completely honest when it comes to providing feedback on out sponsors.

They also have no idea who is ripping off who. Every accusation is always seriously considered and looked into.

I was a mod here a while back, and while there were some great perks, never once did I provide false feedback or protect sponsors that tried to take advantage of our members.

Our active and participating mod here currently are very straight forwarded and honest.

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I know when you were a MOD and why you're not anymore, I was here, so I don't want hear this "ethical" bullshit from your mouth.


There is no reason he shouldn't post his results other than protect a shitty sponsor.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I know when you were a MOD and why you're not anymore, I was here, so I don't want hear this "ethical" bullshit from your mouth.


There is no reason he shouldn't post his results other than protect a shitty sponsor.

You have no idea the circumstances of which why I stepped down from my position.

If what had happened back then was true, I would have been banned and asked to never return, yet here I am.

So before you jumped down my ass, a little fact checking is needed.

As for the current issue at hand. I agree results should be posted, but from a moderator stand point as in s2h position, he has to play devils advocate, because while it is important the truth is shared about our current sponsors, mods must also to a degree do their due diligence in investigating claims before allowing anyone to openly bad mouth a paying sponsor.

At the same sense, I'm 100% certain s2h would very much like to expose any parties ripping off our members.

Slightly off topic but not really.

My website come the new year will be purchasing products from a variety of sponsors, with out their knowledge and having the products sent out for 3rd party mass spec testing. As a non affiliated website to this forum, I can do this without causing issue to the sponsor and or members here.

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[theCaptn']

BS everyone knows mods get free goodies, and inside info on what sponsor is ripping people off.

Hoyle you and other members have got no idea what goes on behind the scenes. And for the most part mods have no idea on what Admin are dealing with.

We collect and filter info, and when we find a sponsor or a member not being honest we remove them. For fucks sake the odd free vial of gears is hardly worth the grief. I'm STILL waiting for my h4h goddamit.

On this issue, s2h has spoken, his opinion carries more weight with me than any other mod on this board, period. He's a straight shooter so take his word as the truth.

Unless you've been under a rock, OSL has given more back to the board than anyone else has over the last 6 months. He's an asset here so show him his due respect.

 

[jrock00123]

Love this thread. Regardless of what happens, the thread title is perfect.

Everyone is fed up with the bullshit. Just waiting for one honest guy with the balls and authority to get some real change going.

The bad sponsors need to go. This site can be great again, but it's going to take some tough decisions.

 

[tl0311]

Love this thread. Regardless of what happens, the thread title is perfect.

Everyone is fed up with the bullshit. Just waiting for one honest guy with the balls and authority to get some real change going.

The bad sponsors need to go. This site can be great again, but it's going to take some tough decisions.

It's interesting that you mention this, I originally found this site searching for legit quality source. somewhere in my googleing I found an article by Prince I believe. saying how all the sponsors here check out and are as good to go as it gets. I lurked for months, placed an order and eventually joined. Its disappointing and freaks me out to see how fucked up shit really is. yes this is a grey area market at best, but intentionally supplying bunk gear and low dosed ect is just fucked up. the peptide world( IGF especially) seems even more jacked up at this point

 

[heavyiron]

I have no problem looking over the results and studying the testing method but before we crucify we should at least understand if the testing has a failure rate and what that failure rate is. Additionally if this simply tests for a given hormone and not the potency that's a pretty weak method however I'm open to it. All I ask is that conedbeefhash send me the results first so I can see what we are dealing with. If the masses want a weak method for their own information than so be it. It may be posted.

Anyway, my PM box is still open for the results. All I ask is that we carefully consider the methods being used and if they are crude in nature or not.

I also agree with Mike and OD that confirmation needs to be done with other methods and samples. I don't think one person should hold all the cards on something like this.

 

[theCaptn']

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[s2h]

Think as you will...the fact is that the testing method is "crude" at best...and will only provide controversy and not facts...a proven testing method or process is what is required....and fair too all parties/QUOTE]
These sound like copouts. To avoid controversy, let's hide some results from members. This is fair to all? Is it fair to the guy who spends his hard earned money on some Mast P and gets ZERO hormone? It's fair to the sponsors and your pockets only. You're the type of scum that makes this business scammer friendly. You clearly have an agenda.

nobody is hiding anything...or lining there pockets...and your telling me i have a agenda...lol...Heavy stated what needs to be done....balls in your court..

and if there is "bunk" gear being sold then i hope it comes out..

you have me read all wrong friend!!

 

[Mike Arnold]

BS everyone knows mods get free goodies, and inside info on what sponsor is ripping people off.

Everyone knows? Well, apparently you don't, as my post was truthful.

As far as free goodies go, mods get a certain amount of IML supps per month. The mods here get gear the same way as everyone else. They either buy it...they rep for a UGL...or they support UGL's they like and in return they might get sent something as a way to say thank you. In other words, mods get paid the same way as you. If you want gear, you can do the same. Either become a rep...or start helping out a UGL by posting positve things about them and maybe they will send something your way--if your words are valued enough. I have NEVER recieved a SINGLE steroid from ANY UGL as payment for being an Mod here...EVER. Every bit of gear I have has been obtained because I earned it in one of the ways mentioned above and has absolutely nothing to do with IML or the fact I am a Mod.

It is total bullshit to infer that UGL's are are sending Mods free gear simply because they are Mod here, as if there is some type of set-up in place. No one, to my knowledge, is getting free gear as payment.

As far as Mods being told what sponsors are ripping people off just because they are Mods, that is also bullshit. Any and ALL information Mods recieve about any lab is received the same way you recieve info--from communication with other members. If Mod's know more than the typical member, this is purely because most mods are more likely to be involved in the community...and many of them have been active for many years, so naturally, they will have more relationsips...which means it is easier to obtain information. If you want to call that "insider info", be my guest, but don't infer that being a Mod automatically entitles one to this type of info.