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Agreed.
Remember sufficient length time is required to maturize and permanentize the new cells and gains.
No question about it! Again, good thread.
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Agreed.
Remember sufficient length time is required to maturize and permanentize the new cells and gains.
Hi guys, I'm new here but have been around a while on UK-muscle. This thread is exactly what I've been looking for! Over on UK-muscle ifg1-lr3 gets slammed as a waste of time and money as it does nothing for muscle growth etc etc. One of the mods goes out of his way to slate it big time! Says it has no application in the real world on humans?! Anyway, I've just started on some and am shooting 50mcg approx 30-40 mins after working out. I haven't experienced any hypo symptoms so wondered if it's maybe bunk? I mixed it with Bw (ba+sodium chloride) and loaded all my pins and put in freezer. I take one out after the gym, defrost and shoot. Is this ok? Should I be using more then? Or will 50mcg be effective over say 8 weeks? Was a bit worried about high doses causing intestinal growth? Or is that bs?? Any help appreciated, thanks!
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Welcome to the thread.
Quite simply, any one who thinks IGF-1 doesn't work is either completely delusionally ignorant or has never got their hands on the real stuff.
Leave IGF-1 LR3 to the informed and knowledgeable, as this drug has no place for the uneducated user.
To answer your question, 50mcg/day is a good dose(assuming you have the real thing) and yes 8wks will yield superior results over 4 weeks.
Cool, thanks for the reply! So am I mixing/storing it ok? In the frozen BW solution? I get mine from UK-peptides (cos I'm in the UK!) but they boast about being "American made"!! I've only had 2 shots so far so no idea if it's working yet. Like I said though, I've not noticed any hypo effects?? I have a shake with a banana and 40g fine Scottish oats mixed in straight after my shot, then have approx 30-40g complex carbs and protein every 2-3 hours thereafter. Could this be staving off any hypo symptoms maybe? Also, will I only get the extreme pump people talk about if I shoot pre workout? Sorry for all the questions!! Hope you don't mind. Finally, I'm currently on 800mg test, 400mg npp per week also. I'm assuming adding the igf to this stack should yeald very nice results?? Thanks for any advice mate!!
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You welcome mate.
Store at 2 deg C(35 F)-just above freezing temp. I personally do not freeze my IGF-1 as I believe this to be an internet theory and misinformation, because IGF-1 is a very sensitive peptide, I know this when I used to receive it direct from Gropep. I am of the opinion freezing it will damage it. Again this is my personal opinion and observation. Other users may disagree and can freeze their IGF-1 as much as they want.
As for the solution, yes BW is fine. I would recommend the sodium chloride BW(NaCl BA) over plain BW(BA) which has no NaCl. The NaCl is advantageous. But don't worry if you only have regular BW that will do.
No. Last year a life extension doctor had several research companies Igf1-Lr3 sent to TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY for analysis. Some tested legit but poor in quality. Others tested higher quality. Some actually turned out to be ghrp2. After that fiasco I am somewhat confident that most companies carry legit products so they don't lose their reputation, but you never know.by real igf1lr3 you mean one made by a biotech company like gropep that deals specifically with recombinant proteins
Some companies mark the Igf up higher so guys will think it's better quality/legit. Price isn't the way to judge things. Legit igf1-Lr3 will make you feel very full in the muscles almost immediately after IM injection. You can also check your blood glucose to see if it drops post injection.That is interesting so even research companies you believe they have legit products even with the low prices. do you know why the prices at some of the bio chem companies are so high then whats the difference in the product this is what Ive been trying so hard to find out
You are definitely THE igf-1man. I am learning so much following this, thanks for logging your findings.
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Thanks for the thread really helpful. been around for a while just never really post on these forums however i felt the need to post on this one this thread is exactly what Ive been looking for Ive been researching igf for a long time a lot of great info but their is one thing Im still in the dark about and cant seem to get an answer for the life of me. seeing your post is what made me start to research the recombinant version as opposed to the chemical synthases version which I believe most of them have some post it and say that's what they have others say that they have the recombinant version expressed in e coli don't want to mention names but one of the big pep companies I had to ask privately which version they carried and they told me it was recombinant made with e coli when i asked if it was human or mammalian version and why they had a section for custom made proteins and why they had igflr3 in that section that had info written about what it was and how it was made and only in the custom section did it say human igflr3 recombinant expressed in ecoli needless to say it was way more expensive in fact i had to get a special quote. so obviously they are full of shit beware of what you buy. oh and when I questioned him he threatened to ban me started hiding behind the disclaimer how under no circumstances should it be used for human consumption and I was very careful about what I said I wrote for research purposes, He was just pissed I peeped his card.anyway so what the hell is the real version that actually works I was thinking maybe tubovital since it is made by hygene dr lins hygetropins which everyone knows is pretty good as far as generics go
No. Last year a life extension doctor had several research companies Igf1-Lr3 sent to TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY for analysis. Some tested legit but poor in quality. Others tested higher quality. Some actually turned out to be ghrp2. After that fiasco I am somewhat confident that most companies carry legit products so they don't lose their reputation, but you never know.
yes It is from china I thought if in fact it was made by the same company as hygetropin hgh it might be half way decent always had good results with hyges never could nail down a good source for pharm grade at least one thats prices are reasonable. As far as gropep just way too expensive for me
defiantly wasn't directing that to you igf man learned a lot from you already just for someone who might stop bye
It never ceases to amaze me that some people can be so desperate that they are willing to play rush and roulette
I will be using igf-1 lr3 for the first time in a month or so. I'm already pretty lean and looking to stay full and gain some muscle while losing even more fat. Can I expect this when I may have to consume simple surgars at times throughout the day. I was gonna do 1 inject daily post workout. Then consume post workout shake (35 grams carbs from gatorade, 20 grams BCAA, 12.5 grams of glutamine) then a meal with alot of carbs about an 45-60 minutes later. Will this be enough from keeping me from going hypo. And what would a good dose be for first time user. I was initially thinking 100mcg, now thinking more towards 66-80mcgs. Will also be running test and tren if that even matters.
The simple carbs will not make you fat when using IGF-1, as a matter of fact you must consume simple carbs to avoid going into hypoglycemia. When on IGF-1 carbs are not stored as fat, they are stored in your muscles keeping your muscles pumped and full. The reason being? IGF-1 makes you VERY insulin sensitive, which means the carbs are not stored as fat but always stored in the muscles. Insulin resistance is what makes you fat. The other great fat loss pathway of IGF-1 is the fact IGF-1 causes lipolisis(using stored body fat for energy). Your protocol above looks fine, start off with 50mcg and see how your body handles that. Assuming your IGF-1 is the real deal, 50mcg will be enough.