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No question about it! Again, good thread.
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No question about it! Again, good thread.
Hi guys, I'm new here but have been around a while on UK-muscle. This thread is exactly what I've been looking for! Over on UK-muscle ifg1-lr3 gets slammed as a waste of time and money as it does nothing for muscle growth etc etc. One of the mods goes out of his way to slate it big time! Says it has no application in the real world on humans?! Anyway, I've just started on some and am shooting 50mcg approx 30-40 mins after working out. I haven't experienced any hypo symptoms so wondered if it's maybe bunk? I mixed it with Bw (ba+sodium chloride) and loaded all my pins and put in freezer. I take one out after the gym, defrost and shoot. Is this ok? Should I be using more then? Or will 50mcg be effective over say 8 weeks? Was a bit worried about high doses causing intestinal growth? Or is that bs?? Any help appreciated, thanks!
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Welcome to the thread.
Quite simply, any one who thinks IGF-1 doesn't work is either completely delusionally ignorant or has never got their hands on the real stuff.
Leave IGF-1 LR3 to the informed and knowledgeable, as this drug has no place for the uneducated user.
To answer your question, 50mcg/day is a good dose(assuming you have the real thing) and yes 8wks will yield superior results over 4 weeks.
Cool, thanks for the reply! So am I mixing/storing it ok? In the frozen BW solution? I get mine from UK-peptides (cos I'm in the UK!) but they boast about being "American made"!! I've only had 2 shots so far so no idea if it's working yet. Like I said though, I've not noticed any hypo effects?? I have a shake with a banana and 40g fine Scottish oats mixed in straight after my shot, then have approx 30-40g complex carbs and protein every 2-3 hours thereafter. Could this be staving off any hypo symptoms maybe? Also, will I only get the extreme pump people talk about if I shoot pre workout? Sorry for all the questions!! Hope you don't mind. Finally, I'm currently on 800mg test, 400mg npp per week also. I'm assuming adding the igf to this stack should yeald very nice results?? Thanks for any advice mate!!
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You welcome mate.
Store at 2 deg C(35 F)-just above freezing temp. I personally do not freeze my IGF-1 as I believe this to be an internet theory and misinformation, because IGF-1 is a very sensitive peptide, I know this when I used to receive it direct from Gropep. I am of the opinion freezing it will damage it. Again this is my personal opinion and observation. Other users may disagree and can freeze their IGF-1 as much as they want.
As for the solution, yes BW is fine. I would recommend the sodium chloride BW(NaCl BA) over plain BW(BA) which has no NaCl. The NaCl is advantageous. But don't worry if you only have regular BW that will do.
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Sounds like what you've got is as good if not better than gropep. And no, I can't see freezing it either.
You are definitely THE igf-1man. I am learning so much following this, thanks for logging your findings.
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Thanks for the thread really helpful. been around for a while just never really post on these forums however i felt the need to post on this one this thread is exactly what Ive been looking for Ive been researching igf for a long time a lot of great info but their is one thing Im still in the dark about and cant seem to get an answer for the life of me. seeing your post is what made me start to research the recombinant version as opposed to the chemical synthases version which I believe most of them have some post it and say that's what they have others say that they have the recombinant version expressed in e coli don't want to mention names but one of the big pep companies I had to ask privately which version they carried and they told me it was recombinant made with e coli when i asked if it was human or mammalian version and why they had a section for custom made proteins and why they had igflr3 in that section that had info written about what it was and how it was made and only in the custom section did it say human igflr3 recombinant expressed in ecoli needless to say it was way more expensive in fact i had to get a special quote. so obviously they are full of shit beware of what you buy. oh and when I questioned him he threatened to ban me started hiding behind the disclaimer how under no circumstances should it be used for human consumption and I was very careful about what I said I wrote for research purposes, He was just pissed I peeped his card.anyway so what the hell is the real version that actually works I was thinking maybe tubovital since it is made by hygene dr lins hygetropins which everyone knows is pretty good as far as generics go
just wanted to correct my last post I should not have said that turbo vital was made by hygene (dr lins) I am not sure of this I have an email in to them they claim it is made by them on the site and they have a link to the .cn site but I havent confirmed this yet sorry guys, by the way anyone ever use this product? or gas hgh its ridiculously cheap the turbovital not a bad price either
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Turbo vital is one I've also not heard of. I did a search, and it's Chinese stuff... The real deal I knew back when (from a pro I knew), was gropep.
yes It is from china I thought if in fact it was made by the same company as hygetropin hgh it might be half way decent always had good results with hyges never could nail down a good source for pharm grade at least one thats prices are reasonable. As far as gropep just way too expensive for me
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No. Last year a life extension doctor had several research companies Igf1-Lr3 sent to TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY for analysis. Some tested legit but poor in quality. Others tested higher quality. Some actually turned out to be ghrp2. After that fiasco I am somewhat confident that most companies carry legit products so they don't lose their reputation, but you never know.
That is interesting so even research companies you believe they have legit products even with the low prices. do you know why the prices at some of the bio chem companies are so high then whats the difference in the product this is what Ive been trying so hard to find out
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Some companies mark the Igf up higher so guys will think it's better quality/legit. Price isn't the way to judge things. Legit igf1-Lr3 will make you feel very full in the muscles almost immediately after IM injection. You can also check your blood glucose to see if it drops post injection.
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Pleasure brother, here to help and inform. It means the thread achieved its purpose. Healthy discussion is important.
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Glad my thread is really helpful to you.
Yes you want the human recombinant form. Identical to human IGF-1.
Stay away from mammalian IGF-1 of other species. Ive seen horse, cow, rat and salmon IGF-1 amongst other species, this is done for the agricultural and food industries to enlarge the animals for food consumption and profit. If the salmon and cow meats weigh more (per lb) with greater muscle to fat ratios it means much more money(much higher prices). That's the purpose of IGF-1 for other species. What the general population would understand as "giving hormones to the livestock."
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Ive been saying for a very long time, and have also documented it- that most IGF-1(and even gh for that matter from China) is relabeled GHRP. Which is what is causing these positive GH serum tests. Relabeled GHRP can get your serum levels tested at 46ng/ml. We've seen it. Also visually speaking, GHRP is idential to IGF-1 or hGH in appearance, sources just slap on a IGF-1 or GH label and charge a premium. Customers get fooled and do a serum test, their blood levels come up high at 35-45ng/ml. Now they believe they have real GH or real IGF1 because their vial label says so and their serum test comes back high(not knowing it was GHRP that did it). GHRP can actually shoot a higher ng/ml serum level then injecting GH, as the GHRP increases endogenous GH/IGF-1 levels and the IGF-1/GH injection is a synthetic.
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Gropep's igf-1 is unreachable in price and they steer bodybuilders away specifically(a lot of paper work to trail the user) as Gropep underwent a federal investigation and audit in early 2000's due to their IGF-1. Their price is jacked the most because they own the patent
That is absolutely amazing they continue to get away with that crap Im going to assume that Ghrp will not yeild the same long term results as hgh. Thats why it took me a very long time to fing a good source the hyges I get are the real deal not pharm grade for sure but I'm very happy with the results for the money I spend. I'm certainly not going to jump into purchasing igf1lr3 yet till I'm sure about the source and I learn and research all I can about It I just don't know enough yet and it seems that even though their is so much Info on it many people really still dont understand it yet.
It never ceases to amaze me that some people can be so desperate that they are willing to play rush and roulette and put something in their bodies they dont even know what it is or where it came from. I guess to an extent we all take a slight chance but please take some time to research your sources and be patient over time you will get all the answers you will need, 9 times out of 10 when you give it time you find something and change your mind
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I love IGF-1, its my specialty hence my handle. With that being said, Ive used the real deal and am currently blogging it here. You will know your IGF-1 is real the moment you take it, from the very 1st shot. Your muscles will pump up and fill out like balloons, to the point your pumps can cripple your workout when taken pre-wo. Your blood sugar will drop(hypo) if you don't eat enough carbs throughout the entire day. You will also experience the nerve tingles, as IGF-1 stimulates nerve growth.
To me, IGF-1 is GH on steroids and insulin. What I mean by that, is IGF-1 is much stronger then GH.
To me, IGF-1 is GH on steroids and insulin. What I mean by that, is IGF-1 is much stronger then GH.
Thats why Im here to research and learn I found a company I have been researching for a while heard very good things about them recombinant protein specialists thats all they deal with not a peptide research chem company. 1mg is $225 plus shipping roughly the same as the turbovital I was researching Im thinking this stuff would be much better then generic from china
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I know that, all good. Was identifying the symptoms of real IGF-1 so you would be aware.
Lol, you mean Russian Roulette haha! Soz man, but that was funny!!
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I will be using igf-1 lr3 for the first time in a month or so. I'm already pretty lean and looking to stay full and gain some muscle while losing even more fat. Can I expect this when I may have to consume simple surgars at times throughout the day. I was gonna do 1 inject daily post workout. Then consume post workout shake (35 grams carbs from gatorade, 20 grams BCAA, 12.5 grams of glutamine) then a meal with alot of carbs about an 45-60 minutes later. Will this be enough from keeping me from going hypo. And what would a good dose be for first time user. I was initially thinking 100mcg, now thinking more towards 66-80mcgs. Will also be running test and tren if that even matters.
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The simple carbs will not make you fat when using IGF-1, as a matter of fact you must consume simple carbs to avoid going into hypoglycemia. When on IGF-1 carbs are not stored as fat, they are stored in your muscles keeping your muscles pumped and full. The reason being? IGF-1 makes you VERY insulin sensitive, which means the carbs are not stored as fat but always stored in the muscles. Insulin resistance is what makes you fat. The other great fat loss pathway of IGF-1 is the fact IGF-1 causes lipolisis(using stored body fat for energy). Your protocol above looks fine, start off with 50mcg and see how your body handles that. Assuming your IGF-1 is the real deal, 50mcg will be enough.