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Recommend a strong pre-workout supplement please.

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So I recently took Jack3d Micro. The first time I took it I will admit I felt some energy. Then the next time I took it not really all that much. Then the 3rd time I took 3 scoops and it felt stronger. Then yesterday I took 2.5 and felt ok. Then today I took 4 scoops and didn't really feel anything.

I also have taken C4 Extreme.

Overall experience has been really weak with these preworkouts. I feel like they are just a waste of money. I would be more wired if I took 3 or 4 glasses of espresso to be honest with you guys.

Is there anything you can take that would really make a difference? Also Pump wise I really am disappointed. I notice some nice things but I think that even if I didn't take these I would still see my muscles get big during workouts since I am working until failure with each exercise.
 
Max pump is a clean product. No chalky taste with the benefits of a pre and pump
 
If you really want a good pre, try, Test Base 50mg/Tren Base 50mg..
 
I've been around for some time and love my pwo's especially the stronger ones. That being said so many changes with them bc of having to reformulate. This is the best i've touched in years and is very strong. Not to expensive either with insane pumps. http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/genomyx-stimaholic-35-servings.html

So I recently took Jack3d Micro. The first time I took it I will admit I felt some energy. Then the next time I took it not really all that much. Then the 3rd time I took 3 scoops and it felt stronger. Then yesterday I took 2.5 and felt ok. Then today I took 4 scoops and didn't really feel anything.

I also have taken C4 Extreme.

Overall experience has been really weak with these preworkouts. I feel like they are just a waste of money. I would be more wired if I took 3 or 4 glasses of espresso to be honest with you guys.

Is there anything you can take that would really make a difference? Also Pump wise I really am disappointed. I notice some nice things but I think that even if I didn't take these I would still see my muscles get big during workouts since I am working until failure with each exercise.
 
Speed x3, hyde, stimul8, methyldrene
 
Albuterol
 
Myodyne's ErgoNox, Creatinol-O-Phosphate, Antaeus Labs Thunderbolt and myokem pyroxamine have been my go to lately.
 
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I had good results with Muscle Pharm Assault. I did like the old formula better than the newer one. Many said C4 was better, so if you don't care for C4, Assault might be a waste.
 
I had good results with Muscle Pharm Assault. I did like the old formula better than the newer one. Many said C4 was better, so if you don't care for C4, Assault might be a waste.

C4 is the best one I have tried so far. Jack3d Micro is not very good in my opinion.
 
I personally like Jack3d and the Maximum Pump Extreme by Ironmaglabs
 
getting a good pump and getting wired are 2 different things altogether and some pre workouts may be formulated to do 1 more than the other. Hyde is crazy strong over 45o mg of caffeine per serving, and a good crash later on IMO. 1MR is good stuff and plenty strong. ONE thing to remember with ALL preworkouts is you need to shake the tub up before you scoop because the contents settle. thats why one scoop works one day a not the next.
 
So I recently took Jack3d Micro. The first time I took it I will admit I felt some energy. Then the next time I took it not really all that much. Then the 3rd time I took 3 scoops and it felt stronger. Then yesterday I took 2.5 and felt ok. Then today I took 4 scoops and didn't really feel anything.

I also have taken C4 Extreme.

Overall experience has been really weak with these preworkouts. I feel like they are just a waste of money. I would be more wired if I took 3 or 4 glasses of espresso to be honest with you guys.

Is there anything you can take that would really make a difference? Also Pump wise I really am disappointed. I notice some nice things but I think that even if I didn't take these I would still see my muscles get big during workouts since I am working until failure with each exercise.

Jim Stoppani's JYM is pretty good stacked with HYPE from BSL. Great pumps from the hype and the PWO gives you a good kick
 
I had good results with hemorage black, but as was stated earlier, with the re-formulation of most of the pwo drinks it just doesn't have the kick it did. I have recently tried c4 and it was so so.
 
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