Those with no personal experience/data on high NPP/no test use, do not reply. I am not interested in your conjecture.
The problem in fact that this real world knowledge is hard to find by posted experience.
THIS CYCLE IS THEORETICAL. I simply want to know if anyone knows if NPP really totally kills libido, or it is just reduced.
knowledge not jokes. There are so many people who have questions, and doof swagers from the peanut gallery seem to waste time in forums with no apparent interest in knowledge if it upsets their little culture. I KNOW gear users are not just meat heads.
Yes, I know test as base. Yes, I know this is odd/different, but I am exploring the unusual to learn fact/experience based knowledge.
Would 800mg/week of NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate), in the stack below,
eliminate libido? I want to use the least amount needed.
Draft Cycle for reference:
weeks 1-12
- Hcg ........... 300iu/twice a week (maintain fertility)
- Hmg .......... 25iu/twice a week (synergistic with hcg)
- Trenbolone Acetate 75-85mg/twice a week (help keep gains, minimize sides at this
lower dose; increase if tolerable?)
- NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate-Durabolin) 400mg/twice a week
(eliminate libido; joints, good anabolism at this dose. Increase dose to 500mg/twice a week if libido is
not gone after 2 weeks?)
- 2mg? day of Telmisartin ................ (mild cardio help)
- GHRP? (not concurrently w/ DNP?) (dose? appetite)
- AIs taken regularly depending on blood work (Exemestane/Aromasin,
?->Diindolylmethane- DIM- ?), I am still determining dosages to take with lack of test in this stack to prevent gyno, and keep libido gone.
- I am still researching if I want to include Cialis for prostrate health; I will be also using
Saw Palmetto.
- because I read a report that Tren may harm or reduce white blood cells, I will be taking Astragalus.
- I am studying the IGF-1 issue, so I may take something for that.
- T3 taken regularly to help fat burning (I am not fat, just slightly more than in my youth, I
have always been fairly trim. I do not know my body fat percentage, but will research how to measure it accurately. I mainly want to reduce viceral fat, as I have developed a belly.) I am unsure of dosing at this time.
- DNP (dinitrophenol) also for reducing fat. 25-100mg?? twice a day. (use with dantrolene in
the summer to help with hyperthermia???). Concerns about cataracts (wondering about using with additional supplement to help prevent cataracts). I am considering the 25mg/day because of the sides. The main concerns I have are being less energetic, and especially the induced temporary "mental fuzziness". However, I normally take several things for my memory/brain so maybe it should not be too bad. I already take items including, coenzyme B-12, CDP choline, a racetam, huperizine A, and a mix of memory/brain herbs in pure bulk powder. I will drink more fluids, and take extra salt and potassium because of the need for increased electrolytes.
- I may take insulin (???) because DNP reduces insulin production. I also know bodybuilders use insulin, but have not researched as to why this is done. I have no idea on dosage at this time.
- HGH treats trensomnia?? Can I use this one day a week to get extra rest that day?? cost/benefit ratio concern.
Tail end of cycle/PCT
replace injectables with orals (short half lives, sort of a pre-PCT) (still determining dosages):
- Primobolan ................................... (stay anabolic while clearing esters)
- Masteron ................................... (same as primo above)
- Proviron (mesterolone ) .............. (libido, improve anabolism of other orals by binding to
SHBG)
- d-aspartic acid (DAA)?? ............ (mild help to test restart???)
- ai? ................................................ (estrogen rebound ???)
week 11-12 - orals tapered down to nothing by end of week 12 (day 4? of week 12 is
last day of any orals)
- Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: wed 7/2/10, thr 10/2/15, thur-sat 15/5/20
(concerns about vision, blood clots)
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- Triptorelin??? one injection only of 50mcg on day 6 of this week
do this earlier in the cycle????? I am considering taking this shot two weeks into the cycle instead. In this second case, I wonder if I need to reduce my HCG/HMG dose for a while??
week 13 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 15/5/20
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
week 14 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 10/2/15
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
ai tapering after week 14 because of rebound??
other gear to have on hand for possible gyno: Letrozole, and/or others, SERMs (Raloxifene for reversing gynecomastia. 60mg - 80mg daily until gynecomastia is gone.)
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
What I really want to know is if the NPP dose is eliminates libido during cycle, not just reduce it. If anyone rare person has ever experimented with this, please let me know your thoughts.
I appreciate any info.
The problem in fact that this real world knowledge is hard to find by posted experience.
THIS CYCLE IS THEORETICAL. I simply want to know if anyone knows if NPP really totally kills libido, or it is just reduced.
knowledge not jokes. There are so many people who have questions, and doof swagers from the peanut gallery seem to waste time in forums with no apparent interest in knowledge if it upsets their little culture. I KNOW gear users are not just meat heads.
Yes, I know test as base. Yes, I know this is odd/different, but I am exploring the unusual to learn fact/experience based knowledge.
Would 800mg/week of NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate), in the stack below,
eliminate libido? I want to use the least amount needed.
Draft Cycle for reference:
weeks 1-12
- Hcg ........... 300iu/twice a week (maintain fertility)
- Hmg .......... 25iu/twice a week (synergistic with hcg)
- Trenbolone Acetate 75-85mg/twice a week (help keep gains, minimize sides at this
lower dose; increase if tolerable?)
- NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate-Durabolin) 400mg/twice a week
(eliminate libido; joints, good anabolism at this dose. Increase dose to 500mg/twice a week if libido is
not gone after 2 weeks?)
- 2mg? day of Telmisartin ................ (mild cardio help)
- GHRP? (not concurrently w/ DNP?) (dose? appetite)
- AIs taken regularly depending on blood work (Exemestane/Aromasin,
?->Diindolylmethane- DIM- ?), I am still determining dosages to take with lack of test in this stack to prevent gyno, and keep libido gone.
- I am still researching if I want to include Cialis for prostrate health; I will be also using
Saw Palmetto.
- because I read a report that Tren may harm or reduce white blood cells, I will be taking Astragalus.
- I am studying the IGF-1 issue, so I may take something for that.
- T3 taken regularly to help fat burning (I am not fat, just slightly more than in my youth, I
have always been fairly trim. I do not know my body fat percentage, but will research how to measure it accurately. I mainly want to reduce viceral fat, as I have developed a belly.) I am unsure of dosing at this time.
- DNP (dinitrophenol) also for reducing fat. 25-100mg?? twice a day. (use with dantrolene in
the summer to help with hyperthermia???). Concerns about cataracts (wondering about using with additional supplement to help prevent cataracts). I am considering the 25mg/day because of the sides. The main concerns I have are being less energetic, and especially the induced temporary "mental fuzziness". However, I normally take several things for my memory/brain so maybe it should not be too bad. I already take items including, coenzyme B-12, CDP choline, a racetam, huperizine A, and a mix of memory/brain herbs in pure bulk powder. I will drink more fluids, and take extra salt and potassium because of the need for increased electrolytes.
- I may take insulin (???) because DNP reduces insulin production. I also know bodybuilders use insulin, but have not researched as to why this is done. I have no idea on dosage at this time.
- HGH treats trensomnia?? Can I use this one day a week to get extra rest that day?? cost/benefit ratio concern.
Tail end of cycle/PCT
replace injectables with orals (short half lives, sort of a pre-PCT) (still determining dosages):
- Primobolan ................................... (stay anabolic while clearing esters)
- Masteron ................................... (same as primo above)
- Proviron (mesterolone ) .............. (libido, improve anabolism of other orals by binding to
SHBG)
- d-aspartic acid (DAA)?? ............ (mild help to test restart???)
- ai? ................................................ (estrogen rebound ???)
week 11-12 - orals tapered down to nothing by end of week 12 (day 4? of week 12 is
last day of any orals)
- Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: wed 7/2/10, thr 10/2/15, thur-sat 15/5/20
(concerns about vision, blood clots)
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- Triptorelin??? one injection only of 50mcg on day 6 of this week
do this earlier in the cycle????? I am considering taking this shot two weeks into the cycle instead. In this second case, I wonder if I need to reduce my HCG/HMG dose for a while??
week 13 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 15/5/20
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
week 14 - Clomid/Tamoxifen/Toremifene: 10/2/15
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
- aromasin 10mg/day?
- DAA?
- some variety of melanotan or derivative for libido/function
ai tapering after week 14 because of rebound??
other gear to have on hand for possible gyno: Letrozole, and/or others, SERMs (Raloxifene for reversing gynecomastia. 60mg - 80mg daily until gynecomastia is gone.)
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
What I really want to know is if the NPP dose is eliminates libido during cycle, not just reduce it. If anyone rare person has ever experimented with this, please let me know your thoughts.
I appreciate any info.
