maniclion said:
What it means is that trying to force Democracy on these Muslim nations is stupid and will cause more harm than good. Their beliefs hold that only God can set laws and man can not rule himself, but relying on this has lead to being easily duped into letting dictators run the countries. In other words only they can help themselves. And they will eventually learn, it will take time, but with the growing number of immigrants coming to their countries a change will come.
Boy, is that whats happening there? Really? Gosh-agorry manlicon thanks for sharing.
Now show me something in the Koran that allows tyranny, no rights for woman, police and militarys being answerable to dictators,mullahs, and tyrants. Exactly what passage in the Koran calls for the torture of human beings for their political beliefs? Where does it call for the persecution of anyone who practices a different religion? For keeping slaves? For the forced marriage and rape of pubescent girls? For the genocide of brother muslims because their skin is black? For the support of terrorist organizations that murder helpless children and woman?
Well heres a newsflash pal, Ive been in some of these countries, and Ive read the Koran, and it makes no allowances for any of this. Indeed in the middle ages, while the Europeans were cooking each other at the stake, the Muslim world was at the center of education,religious freedom,tolerance, and human rights.
Heres what I think! I think its just a small cadre of tribal tyrants with their hands on the power and money and they dont want to share it with anyone. I think they only use religion to manipulate their unwashed masses and deceive American social Libertarians and great thinkers like you! This is a difficult concept for Americans to understand, because we are so empowered as individuals in this country. But in these various dictatorships,tyranny's, and mullah run fucking shitholes, if the 'individual" makes one wrong step the secret police will be thru your door at 0300 and drag you away for 1/2 a lifetime of torment, or more. Such society's have a low incidence of "heros" and very few opponents to a regime. Mostly they are in cemeteries and torture chambers.
And history has shown that such tribal monstrosities mostly change only when overthrown thru force of arms. "They" will never change on their own. If such regimes threaten us then we should remove them by force!
Im sorry but thats just the way it is.
While manlicon and I are often at each others throats, and it bring me great joy to be there, in a small part I have some admiration for great social thinkers and humanitarians like him. When I can figure out what the fuck they are talking about that is. It would be a better world if all respected life and human rights.
But it aint! And they don't! And we also need hard men & woman to make these decisions, and even harder men to carry them out. And we had better do it before these tyrants get to powerful...........................................take care...................Rich