The American Experience: KINSEY

[John H.]

If you get a chance, see the Movie about Dr. Alfred Kinsey (the Sex researcher of world renown fame) which is part of the AMERICAN EXPERIENCE film Series. It is about 1 1/2 hours long. It was boradcast recently on Public Broadcasting System (PBS). It is well worth your time to see.

This is not the same as the motion picture entitled KINSEY. It is a documentary and part of the AMERICAN EXPERIENCE series.

Ask at your local library. They may have it or can borrow it for you.

Take Care, John H.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Ask at your local library.

What the hell is a "library"?

 

[bio-chem]

i watched it that guy was messed up. total freeking loon.

 

[Twigz]

yeah, my hero.....(not)

http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/kinsey.html

 

[gococksDJS]

Even rape Kinsey lightly regarded as ???easily forgotten???; he has been quoted as quipping that ???the difference between rape and a good time depends on whether the girl???s parents were awake when she finally came home.???


Kinsey practiced extremely bizarre forms of masturbation including inserting foreign objects (e.g., toothbrushes, bristle end first) down his urethra and similar masochistic exercises. Public nudity, wife-swapping, homosexual promiscuity, and group sex were all part of the culture of Kinsey???s inner circle.

This guy is a sick shit who doesn't deserve to have a public forum. John H, you are always babbling about whats wrong and bad in our society but look at the people you idolize and agree with. He is what's wrong with our society, and anyone who thinks this guy is somehow making society a better and more open minded place should be lined up and shot just like him. In my opinion, anyone who takes that stance on rape deserves to die and burn in hell for all eternity. You also call religion evil meaning one of the holiest men on earth, the Pope, is evil but say that this man is worth our time? You don't deserve any respect for your views because look what they're based on.

 

[fantasma62]

Hey John,

I have to tell you something, I just did, as you say, tried to "open my mind" and researched a little on this guy. This dude is sick bud....
I have no problems with your lifestyle but a person who finds "adult???child and human???animal sexual interactions" a normal thing, should not be given any forum in any place in our society.
Do you agree with pedophyles and with bestiality? I sure don't. This is definitely not interesting to me. Maybe to others it'll be interesting, but not to me........
Rape is easily forgettable? WTF John? I quote: ???the difference between rape and a good time depends on whether the girl???s parents were awake when she finally came home.???
This I am quoting from the above post (Gococks) because I didn't bother researching long enough to find out more about this sick bastard. I guess he doesn't have a daughter. I'd surely like to beat him down for a comment like that about rape...
If I wasn't a religious person, I'd still find this monster detestable....
Unbelievable John. This, I didn't expect from you, or maybe I should have....

 

[bio-chem]

so far i count a total of 3 threads about kinsey posted by john h this morning. does this guy have somesort of agenda?

 

[Spitfire]

Agenda, maybe
Problem, Defiantly

 

[John H.]

yeah, my hero.....(not)

http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/kinsey.html

Twigz,

Like I have said before about this site you list here, this person does not do anything more than take things out of context, he does not identify who he is or where he is located and what he is connected with. This person is simply out to try to discredit someone and picking and choosing what he wants without showing the entire viewpoint from all sides.

SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE (1948) and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE (1953) (subsequently republished 1998) are both 800 pages plus - each book. They have a LOT to say and what they say can not be easily summed up in a few phrases and not accurately so. Anyone MUST read the entire books to see what they have to say and how and why.

John H.

 

[DOMS]

I say the same about Mein Kampf.

 

[King Silverback]

Agenda, maybe
Problem, Defiantly

 

[King Silverback]

If you get a chance, see the Movie about Dr. Alfred Kinsey (the Sex researcher of world renown fame) which is part of the AMERICAN EXPERIENCE film Series. It is about 1 1/2 hours long. It was boradcast recently on Public Broadcasting System (PBS). It is well worth your time to see.

This is not the same as the motion picture entitled KINSEY. It is a documentary and part of the AMERICAN EXPERIENCE series.

Ask at your local library. They may have it or can borrow it for you.

Take Care, John H.

Okay, I'll try not to misquote you
You keep bringing this Kinsey SMF up, so I will try to break it down to you in terms you MIGHT understand. This is what all of us "Normal and Intelligent" people keep hearing you say:

Oh, almost forgot

 

[bio-chem]

Okay, I'll try not to misquote you
You keep bringing this Kinsey SMF up, so I will try to break it down to you in terms you MIGHT understand. This is what all of us "Normal and Intelligent" people keep hearing you say:

Oh, almost forgot

no truer words have ever been spoken

 

[John H.]

no truer words have ever been spoken

Bio,

You show your narrow-mindedness that way. And your tunnel vision. And you put YOURSELF into a personal prison, mind, body and spirit.

John H.

 

[Flex]

Okay, I'll try not to misquote you
You keep bringing this Kinsey SMF up, so I will try to break it down to you in terms you MIGHT understand. This is what all of us "Normal and Intelligent" people keep hearing you say:

Oh, almost forgot

glad i'm not the only one.

 

[John H.]

Here's the thing. I posted about this film, the Documentary for a reason. To share that with others BECAUSE I KNOW it will HELP others. And I would EXPECT them to DO their OWN research THROUGHLY, ACCURATELY, COMPLETELY, AND HONESTLY especially to find out even more. When you do that and SEE THINGS from ALL PERSPECTIVES you will UNDERSTAND. And BE the mature adult you want others to think you are.

Take Care, John H.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Not to defend the guy, he seems like a monster, that doesn't make his work any less relevant. You would be surprised at how much of what we know these days was found out thru unethical means.

 

[DOMS]

Here's the thing. I posted about this film, the Documentary for a reason. To share that with others BECAUSE I KNOW it will HELP others. And I would EXPECT them to DO their OWN research THROUGHLY, ACCURATELY, COMPLETELY, AND HONESTLY especially to find out even more. When you do that and SEE THINGS from ALL PERSPECTIVES you will UNDERSTAND. And BE the mature adult you want others to think you are.

Take Care, John H.

You ADVOCATE a PEDOPHILE with SOME sort of PASSION which MAKES you SEEM pretty FUCKED UP. GO troll ON someone ELSE'S forum, CHICKEN HAWK.

OH yeah, AND your METHOD of TYPING is just as ANNOYING.

 

[Dale Mabry]

OH yeah, AND your METHOD of TYPING is just as ANNOYING.

now this I am in total agreement with

 

[DOMS]

now THIS I am IN total AGREEMENT with

 

[kbm8795]

You ADVOCATE a PEDOPHILE with SOME sort of PASSION which MAKES you SEEM pretty FUCKED UP. GO troll ON someone ELSE'S forum, CHICKEN HAWK.

OH yeah, AND your METHOD of TYPING is just as ANNOYING.

I've seen no evidence of that beyond the rantings of the "Concerned Women For America" and Dr. Judith Reisman. But then, she claimed Mapplethorpe's work wasn't "art" (I guess a PhD in Communications makes you an expert on everything. . .) and cited Romeo and Juliet as child porn. And the accusations of "pedophilia" are allegations. . and rather isolated ones at that.

I do agree John should try to watch his typing style, even when he's that passionate about a subject.

 

[gococksDJS]

I've seen no evidence of that beyond the rantings of the "Concerned Women For America" and Dr. Judith Reisman. But then, she claimed Mapplethorpe's work wasn't "art" (I guess a PhD in Communications makes you an expert on everything. . .) and cited Romeo and Juliet as child porn. And the accusations of "pedophilia" are allegations. . and rather isolated ones at that.

I do agree John should try to watch his typing style, even when he's that passionate about a subject.

But he publishes charts in his own books about how many orgasms infants as young as 11 months old can have in a certain time period. Despite the fact that children that young can't physically reproduce, how do you think he performed this study? By guessing? Fuck no, the sick shit advocates the molestation of infants, and he sould die for this shit. Look up his view on rape, and read it to a rape victim and tell me what they say. I have no idea why people think this guy is harmless. He's a sick monster.

 

[bio-chem]

I've seen no evidence of that beyond the rantings of the "Concerned Women For America" and Dr. Judith Reisman. But then, she claimed Mapplethorpe's work wasn't "art" (I guess a PhD in Communications makes you an expert on everything. . .) and cited Romeo and Juliet as child porn. And the accusations of "pedophilia" are allegations. . and rather isolated ones at that.

I do agree John should try to watch his typing style, even when he's that passionate about a subject.

havent we been over this. isolated accusations of pedophilia? it is 100% accepted fact that kinsey used personal journals, and interviews of a man who raped multiple children as the basis for some of his conclusions in his book. calling that "isolated accusations of pedophilia" is an interesting way to gloss over the facts. regardless of the conclusions of judith reisman (whoever that is) what are your conclusions kbm knowing kinsey came to his results after using child rape as the basis for some of his study?

 

[kbm8795]

But he publishes charts in his own books about how many orgasms infants as young as 11 months old can have in a certain time period. Despite the fact that children that young can't physically reproduce, how do you think he performed this study? By guessing? Fuck no, the sick shit advocates the molestation of infants, and he sould die for this shit. Look up his view on rape, and read it to a rape victim and tell me what they say. I have no idea why people think this guy is harmless. He's a sick monster.

You never cited a source for those original charts reproduced in that article.

 

[kbm8795]

havent we been over this. isolated accusations of pedophilia? it is 100% accepted fact that kinsey used personal journals, and interviews of a man who raped multiple children as the basis for some of his conclusions in his book. calling that "isolated accusations of pedophilia" is an interesting way to gloss over the facts. regardless of the conclusions of judith reisman (whoever that is) what are your conclusions kbm knowing kinsey came to his results after using child rape as the basis for some of his study?

The accusations seem to be limited to the rantings of extremist rightwing groups led by Dr. Reisman. Kinsey might have used some personal journals, but the Institute categorically denies those were used in anything involving children. I don't have any conclusions except that I'm always skeptical of any extremist drama without better evidence.

 

[John H.]

Not to defend the guy, he seems like a monster, that doesn't make his work any less relevant. You would be surprised at how much of what we know these days was found out thru unethical means.

Hi Dale,

Dr. Kinsey was no "monster". Check into his life and the work he did honestly and see for yourself.

SEE the books for yourself (SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE, published 1948 and 1953 respectively) by Dr. Alfred Kinsey and his Associates. Look at them closely. Take your time and look closely. See the Introduction, Summaries, information as to the methodology used to gain the information ... Each is about 800 pages in length and filled with facts that have stood the test of time. The work that went into the final product is monumental and truly ground-breaking. This work had never been done before. It "wasn't supposed to be" according to "religious types". It was "taboo"! This research had never been done before especially to this magnitude. And because of the "control" "religion" historically has placed on everyone with regard to the topic of Sex and Sexuality. They even damned any scientific work that did not "agree with" "religious teachings" even though scientific evidence proved to the contrary and especially because of that contradiction were actually damned for that research and investigating into the actual truth. Dr. Kinsey intended that the facts AS THEY ARE be presented without any prejudice, bias, bigotry, preconceived notions, etc.. He also understood the hysteria, ignorance, stupidity, mis-information, etc. that had been put forth especially by "religion" and wanted to present the FACTS as they ARE and as THEY EXIST. One of the most impressive things about these books beyond the sheer magnitude of the work involved to gain this information was how much we DIFFER from what was "thought" we do. We SAY one thing but we DO ENTIRELY THE OPPOSITE. Dr. Kinsey's work SHATTERED the "norm" as it was "thought to be" with the FACTS of what truly IS. And that sure "rocked the boat" - in fact "SANK IT"!! It also put "religion" "on the spot" and under the "spotlight" because of all the mis-information and the hysteria. And the more those who were angered by his research tried to DISprove his findings and smear him and his reputation the more the FACTS proved those detractors wrong. His work has stood the test of time. He and his work has been GRILLED by the "best". It has stood the test of time.

Ask yourself why anyone would be so thorough in their work and so dedicated to finding the truth. Why would someone put themselves through so much crap? He saw and knew the ignorance, mis-information, damnation, hysteria that surrounded Sex and Sexuality and even MENTIONING the word let alone anyone doing any actual factual research into it and finding TRUTHFUL ACCURATE ANSWERS. We KNOW more about the Sex of animals than we do about Human Beings. How is it that the MOST BASIC of subjects with regard to Humanity we know so little about? Why is that? That is what he set out to find answers to and truthful and accurate and complete answers as nearly as is humanly possible to do. And he wanted his work to be beyond reproach because he understood he was doing something never before done and that ANY discussion and research into Sexuality was deemed "taboo" and thought that radiculous and foolish, etc. He was a courageous Man. He weathered a lot of ridicule and abuse and damnation but he also received what he knew would be the end result - the SINCERE appreciation of many into his investigations and finding the TRUTH about Sexuality FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL PEOPLE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF TRUTHFUL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING.

See the books for yourself and examine them closely. Ask questions.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

You ADVOCATE a PEDOPHILE with SOME sort of PASSION which MAKES you SEEM pretty FUCKED UP. GO troll ON someone ELSE'S forum, CHICKEN HAWK.

OH yeah, AND your METHOD of TYPING is just as ANNOYING.

Cfs,

I am NOT a "pedophile" and Dr. Kinsey was NEVER as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you YOURSELF ever opened and actually carefully read the books he authored along with his Associates in Research? I highly doubt it. And people such as yourself almost never did, certainly never accurately so. As as an adult who is mature.

How is it that those books HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME AND EXTREME SCRUTINY? More than 50 YEARS of that scrutiny.

Your personal hatred, bigotry, bias, prejudice, extremism, etc. shine brightly. And you are apparently terrified of the truth accurately researched.

John H.

 

[John H.]

I've seen no evidence of that beyond the rantings of the "Concerned Women For America" and Dr. Judith Reisman. But then, she claimed Mapplethorpe's work wasn't "art" (I guess a PhD in Communications makes you an expert on everything. . .) and cited Romeo and Juliet as child porn. And the accusations of "pedophilia" are allegations. . and rather isolated ones at that.

I do agree John should try to watch his typing style, even when he's that passionate about a subject.

Hi Kbm,

My "typing style" - my use of capital letters - is for EMPHASIS of the points I am making. Exclamation marks (!) are for their intended purpose. And only used where necessary.

Take Care, John H.

 

[Eggs]

John - You didnt state anything that would prove that Kinsey wasnt a monster...

Have a conviction to do something doesnt disqualify you from that, nor does people appreciating your work. Finding the truth doesnt make one not a monster either. Lets say I methodically killed 100 people and documented their deaths, how they reacted to the pain I caused, what the last things they said before they died was, etc. One could be very methodical and convinced of the work, but if I did so I would be a monster none the less.

Was Kinsey detailed? Yes. Did he push aside the norms of society in many ways? Yes. However, none of that preculudes one from believing him to be a monster, especially considering the data that he has in his books.

 

[John H.]

But he publishes charts in his own books about how many orgasms infants as young as 11 months old can have in a certain time period. Despite the fact that children that young can't physically reproduce, how do you think he performed this study? By guessing? Fuck no, the sick shit advocates the molestation of infants, and he sould die for this shit. Look up his view on rape, and read it to a rape victim and tell me what they say. I have no idea why people think this guy is harmless. He's a sick monster.

Gococks,

Have you actually READ his books? SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE (1948) and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE (1953) subsequently republised in 1998.

LOOK CAREFULLY at these books. They each have about 800 pages of information and facts. If you look at the books carefully you will see he explains how he obtained his information, the methodology used, and why. If you CAREFULLY read the books in their ENTIRETY you will gain a much better perspective into the importance of the work done and the why and the manner. You will also see that Dr. Kinsey did not work alone and had others who also did this research with him. WHILE the work was being done there were a LOT of questions from ALL types of people who wondered about the work and how and why and what methods were being done. There were MANY people who QUESTIONED ALL ASPECTS of this work and wanted to know all about its completeness and purpose and meaning.

He and his Associates were under a LOT of scrutiny AS THE WORK WAS BEING DONE. And subsequently as well.

The books became best sellers - something that had NEVER happened before. EVER. BECAUSE they and the work was groundbreaking and courageous!!!!!!

In the "Publisher's Foreword" it states in part: "This book is intended primarily for workers in the fields of medicine, biology, psychology, sociology, anthropology, and allied sciences and for teachers, social workers, personnel officers, law enforcement groups, and others concerned with the direction of human behavior".

If Dr. Kinsey was a "pedophile" as some would have others believe WHY THE HELL would he WANT "law enforcement" for example to SEE the work HE DID? And how about those "...workers in the fields of medicine, biology, psychology, sociology, anthropology, and allied sciences and for teachers, social workers, personell officers.... and others concerned with the direction of human behavior"????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems to me that IF Dr. Kinsey and His Associates WERE "pedophiles" as is suggested by some WHY THE HELL would they court these people to SEE their research????? WHEN the work and the research was BEING DONE there was a LOT of people SCRUTINIZING ALL the work and the why and the methodology behind it all.

SEE AND UNDERSTAND the books themselves. DO your own checking into ALL that surrounds these books, the research done, the criticism BOTH PRO AND CON FROM ALL ASPECTS.

Become the Man and the Mature Adult you would have others believe you are.

John H.